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by John Ruggero
16 Sep 2025, 13:17
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Rhythm in Handel's Messiah
Replies: 1
Views: 142

Re: Rhythm in Handel's Messiah

I would agree, Schonbergian. The first rhythm is more majestic and thus fits its text well. The second rhythm less so and also appropriate to the text.

Bach examples that I am familiar with, like the Sinfonia to Partita no. 2 are clear cases of an abbreviated notation, however.
by John Ruggero
16 Sep 2025, 02:49
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Interesting Notation in Ravel’s Ondine
Replies: 2
Views: 529

Re: Interesting Notation in Ravel’s Ondine

Thanks, Wescott. Don't have the original manuscript, but the notation seems deliberate to me. The bass part matches the notation of the middle voice: dotted half note then half note. That makes a lot of mistakes in a piece that is actually quite accurately notated. I think that something else was af...
by John Ruggero
11 Sep 2025, 14:42
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Interesting Notation in Ravel’s Ondine
Replies: 2
Views: 529

Interesting Notation in Ravel’s Ondine

At the end of Ondine, Ravel writes (first edition):
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Shouldn’t that be (Peters edition):
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What do members think?
by John Ruggero
11 Sep 2025, 13:17
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?
Replies: 7
Views: 840

Re: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?

I would only use the upside down version on a staff with multiple voices; otherwise it's always above the staff. That's what I do too. But the original question was why we do this when it seems illogical. Our system has evolved over centuries and represents collective wisdom. There are usually very...
by John Ruggero
10 Sep 2025, 11:51
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?
Replies: 7
Views: 840

Re: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?

Perhaps it goes back to the days of hand copying when it was much harder to distinguish between the two symbols. In an orchestral setting, questions and confusion are shunned at all costs. As I mentioned, Dorico does give the option of a more natural placement of the marcato. Maybe this should be li...
by John Ruggero
09 Sep 2025, 17:36
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?
Replies: 7
Views: 840

Re: Marcato (rooftop) accent always above?

The marcato accent may be placed above or below the notes. Certain things would be impossible to notate if this were not true; for example, in a piano piece, placing a marcato on a low bass note played simultaneously with a second voice above it in the lower staff. Dorico has an option called "...
by John Ruggero
09 Sep 2025, 12:24
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Accents in the staff
Replies: 3
Views: 525

Re: Accents in the staff

Perhaps this thread should be consolidated with the other one.
by John Ruggero
09 Sep 2025, 12:07
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Accents in the staff
Replies: 7
Views: 706

Re: Accents in the staff

I don't agree that G. Schirmer editions are badly engraved. Their beautiful plate-engraved late 19th and early 20th century editions continue to be used today by many musicians. And the later editions of American classics by Barber, Bernstein, Corigliano etc. are models of editorial excellence and s...
by John Ruggero
08 Sep 2025, 02:11
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Accents in the staff
Replies: 3
Views: 525

Re: Accents in the staff

I prefer the accents close to the noteheads and on the staff when necessary. I place the wedges a fourth away from the noteheads, so they would be bisecting lines or in the spaces in some cases.
by John Ruggero
06 Sep 2025, 21:23
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Recommended settings for slurs and ties
Replies: 2
Views: 888

Re: Recommended settings for slurs and ties

FredGUnn posted some good ones on the Dorico Forum, and I believe also here. benwiggy and others have also posted some settings here. They may be somewhere in the following:

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