NOTATIO

Here is another solution of Crumb. Composers seem to suffer from this note-value.

MalteM wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2018, 11:15

I agree, but MuseScore isn’t really better. I’m a bit surprised that only Sibelius and LilyPond do optical spacing correctly here …

Yes, but in my opinion Sibelius has its own spacing issue. To much space for grace notes, and also very strangely main notes. Just, I don't get it.

In my opinion Dorico has the worst output here.

MalteM wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2018, 11:46

LilyPond agrees:

The same example, is it LP default?
So interesting, LP moves the note to make optical illusion of proper spacing.

How about other programs, particularly Dorico (default)?

When I look at this example, I feel that the second grace note is to much close to the main note.
Interestingly, the spacing (stem-to-stem) is correct, yet I can't remove my feeling that the spacing is improper.
How do you look at it?

This is done in Finale.

Many thanks. I indeed expected answer from John in the first hand!

What is better notation to use, single or double?
It is a very long phrase, perhaps two pages like continues...

Apologies if I am over-zealous. I've spend years with Finale... Well said! And since I have followed you for years on another forums, I fully understand your position. I will definitely start using Dorico in years to come. Right now I need Finale for some extended notation, so I keep this project u...

… … … On further thought I don't see any compelling reason why in this instance you should not add legato slurs to groups of syllables. Interestingly, here in Boulez, he indeed uses slurs as the phrasing tool. It looks similar to what I would need. Boulez, Pli Selon Pli 3 This use of two levels of ...

The problem for me, in music I write now, is that without slurs you cannot really see the phrase. It is not a complex music at all, but long time signatures and long note-values tend to split the meaning of music. "molto legato" is an option where everything is legato as such; I am thinking more lik...