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by John Ruggero
09 Mar 2024, 03:15
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Another Beethoven centered beam
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Re: Another Beethoven centered beam

The centered beam and slurring look fine to me. Centered beams over large intervals never really went out of fashion. I did wonder about the numbers. Is that piano fingering?
by John Ruggero
08 Mar 2024, 22:11
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Another Beethoven centered beam
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Re: Another Beethoven centered beam

Thanks, Neera. I've done so many of these centered beams now that it has become much easier. Of course it would be great if the software were doing this automatically. But I don't think I'll suggest it at Dorico headquarters. They have enough "regular" stuff on their hands. I just found th...
by John Ruggero
08 Mar 2024, 21:52
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Another Beethoven centered beam
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Re: Another Beethoven centered beam

I decided to use a centered beam with a footnote explaining the situation, Neera It seems that the tradition of converting centered beams into broken beams didn't die out in the 19th century. Here is what Schenker did with a passage from the third movement of Beethoven's Sonata op. 31. 2. First exce...
by John Ruggero
07 Mar 2024, 16:35
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Another Beethoven centered beam
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Re: Another Beethoven centered beam

Here's another interesting Beethoven sighting. Note the broken beam in both first editions of the third movement of the sonata op. 31 no. 1. This appears to be another attempt to preserve the phrasing implications of a difficult-to engrave centered beam in the manuscript. See https://notat.io/viewto...
by John Ruggero
07 Mar 2024, 16:25
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 538

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Thanks, Neera. Unusual ;) As you said, it supports the idea that the repeat mark is not a bar line, but it's not standard and might need an explanation in a footnote.
by John Ruggero
06 Mar 2024, 17:04
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Lyrics: to uppercase or not to uppercase?
Replies: 4
Views: 216

Re: Lyrics: to uppercase or not to uppercase?

In looking through a little of the German lieder repertoire, I see both systems being used. If one were not capitalizing initial words, supplying the poem in its original layout might be a good idea.
by John Ruggero
06 Mar 2024, 17:00
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 538

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Neera, could you show some examples? I'm not sure what you mean.
by John Ruggero
05 Mar 2024, 21:45
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 538

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Thanks for confirming that, David and Neera. Yes, since a repeat mark can be placed in the middle of a measure, it is clearly not a bar line per se. Neera, your point is also very interesting. When a repeat mark coincides with a double bar line, the double bar line may have an extra meaning that cou...
by John Ruggero
05 Mar 2024, 18:50
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 538

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

No problem. (Do people still say that?) Neera, have you ever seen the Gould-Dorico style (as described above) in fine editions? I would love to know where this came from. In thinking about it further I am wondering if it comes from a misunderstanding of the point I made above. A repeat mark replaces...
by John Ruggero
05 Mar 2024, 17:08
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Another Beethoven centered beam
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Another Beethoven centered beam

This one comes from the first movement of the Sonata op. 28: Beethoven op 28.1 MS.png In this case, Beethoven uses the centered beam to preserve normal stem direction for the three notes involved. But not to obey "the rules". He does it because he wants the stem direction to stay the same ...