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All of these symbols are beautiful, Knut. Congratulations! You could even give the slightly angled version of the treble clef as an alternative version for those who like that style. But for me, the upright version is the best.

It is getting better and better. It is hard for me to see a difference in the boldness, but didn't you also add width, or is this an optical illusion?

But the notation would not be the same because the bracket notation for these triplets DOESN'T usually apply in 12/8. My point was that the composer might very well have used 4/4 with triplets precisely because it let him use all those brackets to clarify the beats which were not available to him in...

Knut: I see. So, the second one is better, but still to bold? Yes, for me, it seems better upright. As far as the actual shape, we are now discussing minute differences. It would be interesting to see the clef a little less bold and/or a little wider to compare. As I said, for me treble clefs seem ...

For a score, the most active part would have been "eye-balled" in first and then the other parts line up against it with a ruler. Incidentally, in our hand copying, a ruler was used only for beams, bar lines, and for the kind of lining up that I just mentioned. There was also transparent s...

Hand copying was all done "by eye". No calculating or measuring. So it was more like a piece of visual art, than a technical diagram. I think many hand copyists had a strong visual art talent as well as being musicians; this is what drew (no pun intended) them to this field.

OCTO, If Arnstein had copied that passage in the Wagner Tannhäuser Overture, you would not have had to put in all those beat markings! You must be referring to the endless pairs of 16th-notes in 4/4 at the end. Arnstein would have beamed all of those in groups of 4, not 2, and you and your colleague...

I know which side of my bread is buttered and will therefore refrain from further comment. (-:

Peter, Arnstein, of course, would have used eight rests throughout, even though this is technically not in 12/8, so no decision- or exception-making would have been necessary. I wonder if one reason that this is NOT notated in 12/8 (in spite of the fact that this is the style of music for which 12/8...

Knut, OCTO's blue line shows the clockwise rotation that you were describing. Did you actually design the clef with the blue line vertical and then rotate the symbol, or simply start with that angle and design the clef around it? I did rotate your clef and like it better that way. I agree with OCTO ...