Courtesy clef size

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Re: Courtesy clef size

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Knut wrote:I'm quite certain the Sternberg scoring application will, whenever it's released.
Seems that you are a beta tester...? :)
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Re: Courtesy clef size

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OCTO wrote:
Knut wrote:I'm quite certain the Sternberg scoring application will, whenever it's released.
Seems that you are a beta tester...? :)
I'm not, actually, and I don't think the development has gotten that far. I've been following Daniel's blog and the development of SMuFL closely, though.
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Here's the Brahms snippet with small clefs touching the barline. I even put in a tenor clef at the end of the cello part for good measure. (I know the accidentals in the key change are way too close together. I usually use a special natural symbol for this, but don't have it in the new font.)
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Octo, to answer your question of how to use these clefs in Finale (or any other software): There is really no way at present, except hiding the real courtesy clefs and replacing them with expressions. It' tedious if you have a lot of them.
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Re: Courtesy clef size

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Knut wrote:... how to use these clefs in Finale (or any other software): There is really no way at present, ...
I know that LilyPond and MuseScore utilize true courtesy clefs.
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tisimst wrote:
Knut wrote:... how to use these clefs in Finale (or any other software): There is really no way at present, ...
I know that LilyPond and MuseScore utilize true courtesy clefs.
Thanks for pointing that out, tisimst. Yet another plus of the available open source software.
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That looks so much better, Knut. Thank you for this exercise.
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John Ruggero wrote:That looks so much better, Knut. Thank you for this exercise.
Thank you again for the input.
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Knut wrote:Here's the Brahms snippet ...
Very beautiful done, Knut!
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Re: Courtesy clef size

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Thank you, OCTO!
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