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Re: Font feedback

Post by tisimst » 28 Oct 2016, 15:09

That's looking great, Knut! Can't wait to see it in action.
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Re: Font feedback

Post by Knut » 28 Oct 2016, 15:18

Thank you so much, tisimst!

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Re: Muzitex - for music text

Post by OCTO » 28 Oct 2016, 16:42

Wow, that is very nice. I would like to use it. When will it be released?
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Re: Font feedback

Post by Knut » 28 Oct 2016, 17:32

Thanks so much, OCTO!

The short answer is: Not on this side of Christmas, at least.

The longer answer is:

The idea is for these text fonts and the music font to be seamlessly integrated. This means that any text based symbols in the music font needs to be derived from the appropriate text font and cross checked with the music font at the appropriate size. For now a pretty solid framework exists in that all basic letters and numerals of the regular and italic styles are more or less finished. However, there's still a vast number of glyphs to design and compose, and I'll probably need to design an entire bold italic style with this in mind as well. but the first release will at least se 3 styles with most, if not all intended symbols.

After that, it will be pretty easy to generate both Semibold styles and optical weights, which is the end goal in the long run.

I'm very interested in any input you all might have with regard to what symbols (except basic letters, numerals, diacritics and punctuation) you think these text fonts should or shouldn't include. I do not want to spend time on math or currency symbols that no-one will ever use in a musical context, and there might be many alternative characters I'm not thinking of which would be invaluable in a text font intended for use in music.

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Re: Font feedback

Post by Knut » 28 Oct 2016, 21:49

I'm also curious what you all feel about this stylized numerals compared to those more commonly used today. It's kind of an old style variation that may nevertheless be most appropriate for use in music, old and new. After all, the time signature numbers of most music fonts are still in this style, so I'm thinking it might be nice to have text fonts to go with it. But would composers like OCTO or David even consider using them in their own scores?
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Re: Font feedback

Post by John Ruggero » 29 Oct 2016, 02:14

Your fonts are always beautiful, Knut, and these are no exception. I am pretty sure that the alphabetic fonts would work well, but would need to see the numerical font in action to be able to judge it in a music context.

Since you are requesting ideas, I would like to see the special symbols used in Schenkerian analysis: the bold non-italic numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 with a circumflex accent over each, as standard characters your fonts and all music fonts.
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Re: Font feedback

Post by OCTO » 29 Oct 2016, 06:38

Knut wrote:But would composers like OCTO or David even consider using them in their own scores?
In general or as the Time Signatures?
Not sure about the TS, I feel them to thin.
But perhaps I would use them as text such as Flute 2.

If your fonts work perfectly on Windows and OS X I would like to use them. I have OS X and my copyist Windows, so the compatibility is the Must.
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Re: Font feedback

Post by David Ward » 29 Oct 2016, 06:51

OCTO wrote:
Knut wrote:But would composers like OCTO or David even consider using them in their own scores?
In general or as the Time Signatures?
Not sure about the TS, I feel them to thin.
But perhaps I would use them as text such as Flute 2.
I feel the same.
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Re: Font feedback

Post by Knut » 29 Oct 2016, 10:16

John Ruggero wrote:Your fonts are always beautiful, Knut, and these are no exception. I am pretty sure that the alphabetic fonts would work well, but would need to see the numerical font in action to be able to judge it in a music context.
Thank you so much, John. Yes, context is key. Just to be clear, the more common numeral style I was referring to is this:
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John Ruggero wrote:Since you are requesting ideas, I would like to see the special symbols used in Schenkerian analysis: the bold non-italic numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 with a circumflex accent over each, as standard characters your fonts and all music fonts.
That's a good idea, and pretty easy to implement. Thanks.
OCTO wrote:In general or as the Time Signatures?
Not sure about the TS, I feel them to thin.
But perhaps I would use them as text such as Flute 2.
David Ward wrote:I feel the same.
Thanks guys. The numerals above are indeed to thin to be used for time signatures. I just meant to say that they are the same style (open 4; 2 and 7 with curly top/bottom projections), and therefore might be a welcome stylistic choice for text. Tuplet numbers are often in the same style BTW.

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Re: Font feedback

Post by OCTO » 29 Oct 2016, 10:45

As such, in TS I would avoid these. My taste tells me that they cannot be easily readable from 2 meter distance.
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