[puzzle] Two voices in one staff

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Knut
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Re: [puzzle] Two voices in one staff

Post by Knut » 02 Jun 2016, 19:16

John Ruggero wrote: For me, a tie among ledger lines obscures the pitch of the note, while one through an accidental would rarely do that.
That makes perfect sense. I do think, however, that to a certain degree this can apply to notes within the staff as well, especially in such a vertically tight context such as this. That's the reason I prefer OCTO's version even over my own. If you break the tie for the notehead, the interference with noteheads and accidentals (which does convey pitch information after all) is reduced. If the tie is moved above the notes, all interference is eliminated, and as I've said, I don't really think the tie could be mistaken for a slur in this case.

I'm certain I've seen this kind of vertical tie displacement several times before. Unfortunately I can't remember where at the moment, but I'll try to find a reference.

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Re: [puzzle] Two voices in one staff

Post by erelievonen » 02 Jun 2016, 19:36

Knut wrote:[...]If the tie is moved above the notes, all interference is eliminated, and as I've said, I don't really think the tie could be mistaken for a slur in this case.
That's basically the same as what I tried to do in my previous version, except that I also tried to maintain the connection of the tie ends to the noteheads. This resulted in a rather extreme curve for the tie, I admit, but I don't see how the tie could possibly be mistaken for a slur there either.

It is simply not possible to solve this puzzle without making some compromise somewhere. As I quite dislike the tie collisions in the other versions, for me, my previous version is the best possible one without interrupting the tie.

Allowing an interruption of the tie, I suggest the following solution. The tie curve is less extreme now, and I think it still looks like a tie. It also has minimal interference with other objects (requiring only one interruption), and the tie ends retain connection with the noteheads.
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Re: [puzzle] Two voices in one staff

Post by OCTO » 02 Jun 2016, 19:46

erelievonen, we are on the same boat!

Hmm.. two other solutions:
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The second one I don't like, actually. :(

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