There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

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There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by OCTO » 11 Nov 2016, 15:51

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How about Product A, B, C or D?
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by tisimst » 11 Nov 2016, 16:36

OCTO wrote:How about Product A, B, C or D?
That is Product B ;)
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by Knut » 11 Nov 2016, 16:41

Here's Dorico with 'Optical spacing for beams between staves' checked:
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As pointed out in a previous thread, Dorico, like Lilypond, handles the notes within each beam group nicely, but not the notes surrounding each group.

In this particular case, I am not wild about the Dorico's default beam placement either, which seems to be based on centering the beams between the staves.
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by tisimst » 11 Nov 2016, 16:47

Here's Product C:
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by Knut » 11 Nov 2016, 16:50

Is that all default settings tisimst?

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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by tisimst » 11 Nov 2016, 16:56

Pretty much! The only thing I had to do was give it permission to put the second beam between the staves (it chose to put it above the group for some reason), but everything else is default settings--beam slopes/positions, stem positions, etc.
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by OCTO » 11 Nov 2016, 17:04

What about IF your measure is much wider than regular? Double length?
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by tisimst » 12 Nov 2016, 00:22

Here's two other expanded measure lengths for comparison with the default spacing (top):
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I suspect Dorico will do the same, but I'm not at my normal computer to check.
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by tisimst » 12 Nov 2016, 00:38

Here's Product E (same spacing at any measure width):
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Re: There is plenty of room to improve Finale - kerning

Post by John Ruggero » 12 Nov 2016, 01:52

+1 OCTO. It is really disgraceful that Finale cannot handle something like this after all of these years.

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Knut wrote:I am not wild about the Dorico's default beam placement either, which seems to be based on centering the beams between the staves.
Would it make a difference if you moved the staves closer together? Does Dorico do a better job? But maybe Dorico cannot yet do that?

Also, I do want to reiterate that the two staves of piano music appear best "forced' apart by what is between them; otherwise there is too much white space on the page and also harder to read.
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