Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
Hi,
Very simple question: does this number have to touch the clef or not?
As a subsidiary question: I often see guitar scores (e.g.) without clef ottavation. Is there any rule?
Another example is the Schubert Arpegionne sonata: AFAIK, the arpeggione is tuned like a guitar but I've never seen this sonata written with an 8t-treble clef.
Very simple question: does this number have to touch the clef or not?
As a subsidiary question: I often see guitar scores (e.g.) without clef ottavation. Is there any rule?
Another example is the Schubert Arpegionne sonata: AFAIK, the arpeggione is tuned like a guitar but I've never seen this sonata written with an 8t-treble clef.
Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
I have seen scores with both options, but more with clefs that have 8 attached. But that is probably not the rule.
If anyone else having another statistical information it would be great to know.
If anyone else having another statistical information it would be great to know.
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
Pierre, that is a very nice looking treble clef, independent of the 8. Could you reveal the source?
It looks fine to me, but when I am unsure of something like this, I go and prowl around IMSLP awhile to get a feel for it. Or sheet music.com and look at the various samples for recent editions.
The first time I ever saw a bass clef with a 8va was with Finale. Never before. "Back in the day", the standard octave transpositions were a known quantity, so these appendages were considered unnecessary. But maybe the new precision is a good thing.
It looks fine to me, but when I am unsure of something like this, I go and prowl around IMSLP awhile to get a feel for it. Or sheet music.com and look at the various samples for recent editions.
The first time I ever saw a bass clef with a 8va was with Finale. Never before. "Back in the day", the standard octave transpositions were a known quantity, so these appendages were considered unnecessary. But maybe the new precision is a good thing.
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
Not far from here : http://www.notat.io/viewtopic.php?p=297#p297John Ruggero wrote:Pierre, that is a very nice looking treble clef, independent of the 8. Could you reveal the source? [...]
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
That's pretty funny. I thought I had seen that one before! It looks a lot better in a this context.
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
Try to make a slightly bolder the 8-symbol.
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
How about:
Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
I think, but I might have wrong, that 8 should not be italic. At least in this case. It goes to much scissors with the clef.
And slightly smaller, so to compensate the boldness.
It is my personal feeling.
Can you post it in a musical context (some random music of course!)?
And slightly smaller, so to compensate the boldness.
It is my personal feeling.
Can you post it in a musical context (some random music of course!)?
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Re: Ottavation numbers attached to clefs
It looks beautiful to me.
Maybe to test with roman 8?
Maybe to test with roman 8?
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