If Dorico had Dorico...

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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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Ben, that's beautiful and fascinating.
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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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Here's the original Sextus page, for comparison. (I hope I'm not overloading the forum servers) .
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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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benwiggy wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 16:25
Finally had time to finish all six parts of this Palestrina motet, each as a separate page, and I've applied a slight tint to the 'paper'.

There's only two places in all where I haven't quite matched his original line breaks: mostly problems due to the modern innovation of putting lyrics actually under the right syllable.
Wow, absolutely beautiful! No comment!
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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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Hi benwiggy,
Nice work, bravo!
benwiggy wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 17:18
Here's the original Sextus page, for comparison. [...]
Some questions: why not keeping the double key signature? Why not keeping the stem direction? And the staff size? Are they personal choices?

Here's the LP output (with settings to stick to the facsimile, not perfect but actually my very first attempt with ancient notation):

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The coding (you can test it here, special fonts excluded):

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\version "2.20.0"

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Settings: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
#(ly:font-config-add-font "GoudyIni.ttf")
#(set-global-staff-size 33)
\pointAndClickOff

%% Surpress unwanted warnings:
#(define (suppress message x)
  (let loop ((c x))
    (if (> c 0)
       (begin
        (ly:expect-warning message)
        (loop (1- c))))))
#(suppress "Stem dir must be up or down." 26)

\paper {
  page-count = 1
  left-margin = 15
  right-margin = 12
  bottom-margin = 10
  oddHeaderMarkup = \markup 
   \with-dimensions-from \null 
   \with-color #(x11-color 'AntiqueWhite) 
   \filled-box #'(-10 . 70) #'(-100 . 10) #0
}

brk = {
  \once\override Staff.Custos.X-offset = #-1
  \once\override Staff.Custos.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0)
  \bar "" \break
}

ftOn = {
  \revert LyricText.font-shape
  \override LyricText.font-name = #"Goudy Old Style"
  \override LyricText.font-size = #-2
}

ftOff = {
  \revert LyricText.font-name
  \override LyricText.font-size = #-3.5
  \override LyricText.font-shape = #'italic
}

\layout {
  \context {
    \Score
    \override BarLine.hair-thickness = #3
    \override BarLine.bar-extent = #'(-2.5 . 2.5)
  }
  \context {
    \Staff
    \consists Custos_engraver
    \override Custos.style = #'mensural
    \override Custos.neutral-position = 10
    \override KeySignature.flat-positions = #'((-7 . 6))
    \override KeySignature. glyph-name-alist = #'((-1/2 . "accidentals.hufnagelM1"))
    \override KeySignature.space-alist.time-signature = #'(extra-space . 1)
    \override KeySignature.space-alist.staff-bar = #'(extra-space . 0)
    \override KeySignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
    \override TimeSignature.style = #'mensural
    \override TimeSignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
    \override Clef.space-alist.key-signature = #'(minimum-space . 2)
  }
  \context {
    \Voice
    \override NoteHead.style = #'petrucci
    \override Rest.style = #'mensural
    \override Stem.neutral-direction = #'()
  }
}

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

%%% The music:
chant = \fixed c' {
  \clef "petrucci-c2"
  \key d\minor
  \time 2/2
  \cadenzaOn
  r\longa r\longa r\breve r1
  a\breve g1 a bes g c'2. bes4 a2 g f e d1 e f1. 2 a1 c'1 \brk
  bes2. a4 g2 2 f1 a f\breve f r\longa r1 g2\rest
  a2. f4 g2 a4 g f e d c f1 e2 f1 r\breve g2\rest a2. e4 f2 \brk
  g2. f4 e d e2 c d c e f d g\rest a2. f4 g2 a4 g f e d2 bes a f1 e2 
  f\breve r1 g2\rest g2 a2. 4 \brk
  1 r g2\rest g2 a2. 4 1 2 2 bes1 g2. f4 e d e1 c2 g1 a g2\rest 
  a c'\breve 1 g2\rest f g bes \brk
  a4 g f e f1 d2. e4 f2 e g1. e2 r1 r\breve r2 
  d e g f2. e4 d c bes,2 c g, d1 2. e4 \brk
  f4 c f1 e4 d e1 f\breve r\longa r\breve r1 r2 f f 
  bes2. a4 2 g f g1 2 c'1 2 \breve bes2 f2. g4 a2 \brk
  d1 f1 2 2. g4 a2 d1 f1 \breve r\longa r\breve g2\rest
  c'2. bes4 a g a2 f1 g2. f4 e d e2 f2. e4 d c d1 c \brk
  c'2. bes4 a g a1 f bes a2 g\rest c'2. bes4 a g a1 f2 
  bes2. a4 g f g1 a4 g f e f2 g1 f e2 f\longa
  \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-.2 . 0) \bar "|" 
}

verba = \lyricmode {
  \ftOn
  Dum com -- ple -- ren -- tur di -- _ _ es pen -- te -- co -- stes 
  e -- rant om -- nes pa -- _ _ ri -- ter di -- cen -- tes, 
  al -- le -- lu ia, __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  
  al -- le -- lu -- ia, __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
  al -- le -- lu -- ia, __ _ _ _ _
  \ftOff
  [al -- le -- lu -- _ ia,]
  \ftOn
  et su -- bi  -- to, et su -- bi  -- to,
  fa -- ctus est so -- _ _ _ _ nus, so -- nus de cae -- lo, 
  al -- le -- lu -- ia, __ _ _ _ _
  \ftOff
  al -- le -- _ lu -- _ ia, 
  \ftOn
  al -- le -- lu -- ia, __ _ _ _ _ _ _
  al -- le -- _ _ _ _ lu -- _ _ ia, 
  tam -- quam spi -- ri -- tus ve -- he -- men -- tis, 
  et re -- ple -- vit -- to -- _ _ tam 
  do -- mum, to -- _ _ tam do -- mum, al -- _ _  _ _ le -- 
  lu -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ia,
  al -- _ _ _ _ le -- lu -- ia, 
  al -- _ _ _ _ le -- lu -- _ _ _ _ ia, __ _ _ _ _ 
  al -- le -- lu -- ia.  
}

%%% The score:
\header {
  title = \markup 
    \fontsize #-2 
    \override #'(font-name . "Goudy Old Style") 
    "DUM COMPLERENTUR DIES PENTECOSTES"
  composer = \markup
    \override #'(font-name . "Goudy Old Style")
    \override #'(baseline-skip . 2.2) 
    \fontsize #-4
    \right-column { "IO. PETRI ALOYSII" "PRÆNESTINI" }
  piece = \markup 
    \override #'(font-name . "Goudy Old Style")
    \fontsize #-3 "S E X T U S"
  tagline = ""
}

\score {
  <<
    \new Voice = "melody" \chant
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "melody" \verba
  >>
  \layout {
    indent = 26
    \context {
      \Staff
      instrumentName = \markup 
        \override #'(font-name . "Goudy Initialen")
        \fontsize #13 "D"
    }
  }
}
[Edit] Change clef end accidental glyphs.
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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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Nicely done, benwiggy and Schneider! Both look really excellent!
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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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If Dorico or Petrucci had Dorico, wouldn’t they use a smaller paper or larger font size?

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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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I think they'd use larger font size since those were meant to be read even in the dimness and even by old eyes. ;)
And what if Frescobaldi had Frescobaldi?...

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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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Ben, really cool!!
Where did you find big D sign/image??

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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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It's a font: Goudy Initials.

Well, yes, I could have matched the paper size, and staff size, and various other details. I haven't done ligatures, either. Some of the glyphs in my font don't really match.
I didn't really plan to make a facsimile, but just a little bit of fun of how to approach that style of notation using software that's designed for totally different rules of notation.

Some years ago, I made a '16th-century score' (in Finale), in which similar partbook notation was presented as a score, without barlines.
https://ancientgroove.co.uk/freebies/ta ... vator1.pdf

That was intended to be a satire on the folly of unnecessarily preserving archaic notation when producing a supposedly 'modern' edition.

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Re: If Dorico had Dorico...

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benwiggy wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 07:37
[...] Well, yes, I could have matched the paper size, and staff size, and various other details. I haven't done ligatures, either. Some of the glyphs in my font don't really match.
I didn't really plan to make a facsimile, but just a little bit of fun of how to approach that style of notation using software that's designed for totally rules of notation. [...]
Ok ;)
benwiggy wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 07:37
[...] That was intended to be a satire on the folly of unnecessarily preserving archaic notation when producing a supposedly 'modern' edition.
Ben, would you consider the double key signature as a mistake?
(I really thought it has its interest with this type of clef... Not sure any more though.)

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