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Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:06
by erelievonen
tisimst wrote:David Ward wrote:erelievonen wrote:… … …
tremolo.tiff
Somewhat OT, but rather strangely I can view your .tiff file in Safari, but not in (latest) Firefox, which I use by default. This also applies to your recent .tiff in another thread here, and with two different Mac OS.
I get the same experience using Opera.
Odd... If anyone knows what I've done wrong, I'm all ears. In the meantime, I added pdf files of those images. However, I was not able to get them showing inline.
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:07
by erelievonen
Knut wrote:I look at this as a conceptual issue similar to that debated earlier: Those who view unmeasured tremolo as a direct continuation of the measured tremolo will likely take the beams or flags into account, and the number of slashes will thus depend on note value. On the other hand, those who view unmeasured tremolo as an isolated effect, will probably most often use Grieg's solution, with the same number of slashes (either three or four) on every note, regardless of it's value.
Both are acceptable solutions, and well established in the literature.
This is an excellent analysis of the present debate!!
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:12
by OCTO
erelievonen wrote:tisimst wrote:David Ward wrote:Somewhat OT, but rather strangely I can view your .tiff file in Safari, but not in (latest) Firefox, which I use by default. This also applies to your recent .tiff in another thread here, and with two different Mac OS.
I get the same experience using Opera.
Odd... If anyone knows what I've done wrong, I'm all ears. In the meantime, I added pdf files of those images. However, I was not able to get them showing inline.
https://notat.io/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16#p124
I don't know how to edit phpBB code, if anyone knows the solution for TIFF let me know!
Otherwise, use other kind of picture extensions.
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:25
by erelievonen
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 19:47
by John Ruggero
For less common cases, like the one erelievonen shows above, one could write: trem. non trem., and then sim. with ord. to cancel when the pattern stops.
The same objection might be raised to col legno—ord. or sul pont.—ord. substituted for the trem.—non trem. in the example, yet that is what we do now.
Or some other mechanism could be used. But for long series of tremolos as in the Grieg, I think a simple trem. would be much cleaner.
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 19:48
by Knut
erelievonen wrote:Knut wrote:I look at this as a conceptual issue similar to that debated earlier: Those who view unmeasured tremolo as a direct continuation of the measured tremolo will likely take the beams or flags into account, and the number of slashes will thus depend on note value. On the other hand, those who view unmeasured tremolo as an isolated effect, will probably most often use Grieg's solution, with the same number of slashes (either three or four) on every note, regardless of it's value.
Both are acceptable solutions, and well established in the literature.
This is an excellent analysis of the present debate!!
Why, thank you sir!
Re: How many slashes for unmeasured tremolos (including beamed)?
Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 19:51
by Knut
John Ruggero wrote:Or some other mechanism could be used. But for long series of tremolos as in the Grieg, I think a simple trem. would be much cleaner.
Fortunately, other mechanisms already exist in the literature, several of which where pointed out by OCTO in his first post.