More Dorico updates!

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mducharme
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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by mducharme » 05 Dec 2018, 23:45

I must have been tired when I wrote that - I collapse a *hairpin*, not a slur, as a workaround.

It is possible to add arrows as graphics, but the problem is that a graphic won't wrap to the next line. What I could do however is import a better arrowhead instead of using the overpressure symbol.

The promising thing is that Dorico's graphics capabilities are getting better over time. I am able to add Saariaho-style bow overpressure symbols as images in such a way that they appear both in the score and in parts. Obviously I have to chop them up (to adjust for formatting differences between score and part, since the graphic won't "wrap" to the next system) and adjust the positions of the individual pieces of the overpressure symbols in each bar to line them up, but before 2.1 I think this wasn't possible.

I am also able to hide noteheads and stems now, this also was not possible before. I was able to "fake" aleatoric lines recently without much work by adding glissandi without the text between notes that had the heads, stems and ledger lines hidden. Previously you could only do that by shortening the stem, and shrinking the notehead and colouring it white. Obviously the playback sounds kind of funny, nothing like that it actually sounds like, but I don't care so much about that. So it is getting noticeably better each version since even the workarounds are becoming less cumbersome than they were previously.

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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by benwiggy » 06 Dec 2018, 09:38

OCTO wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 10:35
A notation software should be able to draw any line , if not any curve.
Music software should have the drawing capabilities of Illustrator; the text layout and typographic controls of InDesign; it should display, import and export a variety of graphic image formats; it must have the MIDI and audio editing capabilities of a DAW, like Logic or Cubase.

... and that's before we get to the music! :lol: (I've said this before, but truly I can't think of another genre that requires so many facilities.)

Yes, Dorico still has a number of lacunae, but as the team themselves say, they're working on them, and they'll release them when they are ready. It has proved itself several times in going from "no functionality" to "best in class". Each update has surprised and impressed.

Compare to Finale, where in the 8 years since the staff layout changes in F2011, the only real improvements we've had are slightly improved handling of rests and accidentals in Layers, and the latest artic/slur avoidance.
mducharme wrote:
02 Dec 2018, 22:14
I have switched to using Dorico in recent months instead of Sibelius, and I think its biggest weakness for my workflow is the inability to draw lines and arrows
For the time being, you might find it easier to load a PDF into an app like Affinity Designer, or Illustrator, where you can edit multiple pages of a PDF. (Affinity will let you load all the pages of a PDF; Illustrator will load individual pages but save them back in place to the original PDF file.)

Another alternative is to use a text font that creates arrows from segmented glyphs, such as Arrow Crafter.
https://www.dafont.com/arrow-crafter.font

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OCTO
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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by OCTO » 06 Dec 2018, 10:06

benwiggy wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 09:38
For the time being, you might find it easier to load a PDF into an app like Affinity Designer, or Illustrator, where you can edit multiple pages of a PDF. (Affinity will let you load all the pages of a PDF; Illustrator will load individual pages but save them back in place to the original PDF file.)

Another alternative is to use a text font that creates arrows from segmented glyphs, such as Arrow Crafter.
https://www.dafont.com/arrow-crafter.font
Thanks for Affinity Designer, I have never heard about it. I used before Illustrator but now avoid because of the subscription and clouding (that irritates me very much). Is AD similar to AI or Inkscape?

The font to use as Arrow Crafter is ok method if you need a straight horizontal line.
Btw, all kind of lines you have in GNU FreeSerif.
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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by benwiggy » 06 Dec 2018, 12:16

Affinity Designer is very similar to Illustrator, though with its own distinctive UI. There is also Affinity Photo, very much like Photoshop; and Affinity Publisher is currently a free Beta.
They are an award-winning integrated suite of professional alternatives to Adobe's Creative Suite, at a fraction of the price.

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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by Florian » 06 Dec 2018, 23:21

Although Inkscape does all I need I've recently switched to Affinity Designer and so far it's been worth the price. In fact it reminds me a bit of Dorico. Or rather, it shows what Dorico could be if the market for notation software was comparable to the market for graphic design, i.e. if Steinberg could invest as much into Dorico as Affinity can invest into their product line.

Open Source is a great concept; but in the end paying for modern software does pay off (provided that software is professionally built and actively developed – I'd gladly pay an update fee for every minor Dorico update, but I probably won't buy what they call a 'Finale update' ever again).

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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by John Ruggero » 07 Dec 2018, 21:52

Thanks, Florian. That's good to know. I am planning to switch from InDesign to Affinity Publisher as soon as it goes on sale.
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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by OCTO » 07 Dec 2018, 22:26

If Affinity Designer does what AI does, than it is really a great price. I will investigate it, however, my last switch was to Windows (last projects) since I have a lot of trouble having Finale working smoothly on Mac, at least my scores. So my software is somehow mixed, I use right now Inkscape.

Definitely should a notation software (Dorico?) implement several tools from drawing (vector-type) software.
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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by benwiggy » 08 Dec 2018, 09:06

OCTO wrote:
07 Dec 2018, 22:26
If Affinity Designer does what AI does, than it is really a great price. I will investigate it, however, my last switch was to Windows (last projects) since I have a lot of trouble having Finale working smoothly on Mac, at least my scores. So my software is somehow mixed, I use right now Inkscape.
Affinity Designer and Photo are available for Windows, too!

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Re: More Dorico updates!

Post by Florian » 08 Dec 2018, 11:49

OCTO wrote:
07 Dec 2018, 22:26
If Affinity Designer does what AI does, than it is really a great price.
Rumour has it that there are a few advanced features that expert users of AI miss in Affinity Designer – but I seriously doubt that you would ever need such features for music engraving. At any rate, the price is ridiculously low: it is really easy to use, yet powerful. If you’re coming from Inkscape you might need to get used to the UI, but that didn’t take long for me. There are excellent video tutorials to get you started, too.
Definitely should a notation software (Dorico?) implement several tools from drawing (vector-type) software.
Amen to that. I’m pretty sure the Dorico developers plan to do exactly that. As lines and arrows and such things are being requested frequently, we might be lucky and see something like this in Dorico 3.0 (are you reading this, Daniel? :))

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