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by John Ruggero
11 Jan 2025, 14:41
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question
Replies: 11
Views: 1492

Re: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question

You're very welcome, Neera. Placing the rest on the high note clarifies the rhythm, so I think that you are right to do that. Could be the first time the measure has been correctly engraved!
by John Ruggero
11 Jan 2025, 03:54
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question
Replies: 11
Views: 1492

Re: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question

Henle has an urtext that one can look through:

https://www.henle.de/en/Pavane-pour-une ... te/HN-1260

They seem to have made the corrections but kept the eighth rest in the original location.
by John Ruggero
10 Jan 2025, 14:31
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question
Replies: 11
Views: 1492

Re: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question

Thanks so much, Neera. Glad to help. It's an interesting spot. I have several piano works of Ravel in the Peters edition edited by Roger Nichols, but not of the Pavane. The ones I do have have critical commentaries in the back. Some of the other major publishers probably have such urtext editions as...
by John Ruggero
10 Jan 2025, 00:05
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question
Replies: 11
Views: 1492

Re: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question

It looks like the classic case of correcting something and making yet another error in the correction. There are many of these in the literature on the part of the composer and engraver. So the high D should be an eighth note as in the following passage, and so it appears in good editions. I believe...
by John Ruggero
09 Jan 2025, 17:13
Forum: Problems and Solutions (Help)
Topic: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question
Replies: 11
Views: 1492

Re: Ravel Pavane rhythmical question

It was apparently intended to be a normal sextuplet and the high A should fall with the G-D fifth in the left hand. The reprinted version of the first edition has this correction: https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/e/e4/IMSLP06163-Ravel_-_Pavane_pour_une_infante_défunte_(Piano).pdf Note t...
by John Ruggero
07 Jan 2025, 19:15
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333
Replies: 6
Views: 2205

Re: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333

Thank you very much, Neera. I am glad you found it interesting.

Yes, I engraved it exactly as Mozart wrote it! :)
by John Ruggero
02 Jan 2025, 03:54
Forum: Manual Notation
Topic: Rastrum time
Replies: 2
Views: 2045

Re: Rastrum time

Another item for that Museum of Music Printing and Engraving that you and FredGUnn will eventually establish in your retirement!
by John Ruggero
01 Jan 2025, 14:56
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333
Replies: 6
Views: 2205

Re: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333

Thanks harpsi. Then it appears that we are in agreement that Mozart's notation is exactly what he intended and should not be second-guessed and modified. In modifying the passage perhaps later editors have been influenced by Beethoven passage work of the following type in which sub-scales are create...
by John Ruggero
31 Dec 2024, 16:17
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333
Replies: 6
Views: 2205

Re: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333

Here is another illustration Mozart's subtle slurring; this time from the first movement of the piano sonata K. 333: K 333.1A.png Interpretation While some editors have made the slurs for A-C conform because the measures have the same rhythm, closer inspection shows that the notes of intense measure...
by John Ruggero
29 Dec 2024, 17:07
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: A Slur in Mozart’s K.333
Replies: 6
Views: 2205

A Slur in Mozart’s K.333

The following scale passage appears in Mozart’s manuscript copy of last movement of the piano sonata K. 333: K 333 MS.png The first edition attempted to follow Mozart’s notation but had to split the scale passage and slur between the two systems: K 333 1st ed.png The questions facing an editor are A...