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by John Ruggero
27 Sep 2023, 15:42
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven's note placement
Replies: 3
Views: 113

Re: Beethoven's note placement

Excuse me for being pedantic, but I can't see the defining difference between A and B. At A, one middle part IS actually moved to the upper staff (G-F). I think of the G-F as a new voice branching off from the G in the upper staff since the middle G C# D melody should continue on G C# D (E F) like ...
by John Ruggero
27 Sep 2023, 15:33
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven's note placement
Replies: 3
Views: 113

Re: Beethoven's note placement

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by John Ruggero
24 Sep 2023, 16:41
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

Sorry, Anders. I guess I missed your point that the great quantity of fingering in itself gives the wrong impression to those who are less knowledgable about this area of notation. Space limitations may have played a role in this, but she certainly should have been clearer about the intention of the...
by John Ruggero
24 Sep 2023, 16:23
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven's note placement
Replies: 3
Views: 113

Beethoven's note placement

Another example of Beethoven's very logical placement of the notes on the staves. From Diabelli variation 20: Diabelli 20.png At A he keeps the lower right hand voices on the lower staff to isolate the imitative soprano voice on the upper staff, since the lower parts, the D and G, do not continue on...
by John Ruggero
24 Sep 2023, 12:33
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

The great quantity of numbers doesn't bother me, because she is clearly attempting to show many possibilities in one example. But the haphazard way in which they are placed does, because it is completely non-standard. Finger numbers are usually centered over notes or placed directly to the sides of ...
by John Ruggero
24 Sep 2023, 02:31
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

Yes, as MichelRE wrote, it appears to be an illustration of many possible incorrect placements of finger numbers; but this was certainly not the intention.
by John Ruggero
23 Sep 2023, 22:11
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

No such paragraph. This is not an area in which Gould delves deeply, and her comments and this accompanying illustration are very general. Unfortunately, this gives the impression that almost anything goes when it comes to fingering. But that is not what one sees in well-edited and well-engraved mus...
by John Ruggero
23 Sep 2023, 20:33
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

Thanks, MichelRE. I agree with most of your points. Fingering brackets are often accompanied by a number, but I see nothing wrong with your practice of omitting the number, since as you said, it is generally obvious which finger is holding the two (or three keys. Recently, I decided that I preferred...
by John Ruggero
23 Sep 2023, 12:04
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Re: Piano fingering example

It's dense with fingering because it's a manufactured example of various fingering possibilities from a book on music engraving. I'm not keen on that style of thumb indication either, and prefer it next to the notes if used. But I just use two 1's. I'm talking more about the placement of the numbers...
by John Ruggero
22 Sep 2023, 20:24
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Piano fingering example
Replies: 14
Views: 259

Piano fingering example

Does anyone else find the placement of the fingering problematic?


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