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by John Ruggero
17 May 2025, 20:37
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven Stems 7
Replies: 4
Views: 2139

Re: Beethoven Stems 7

Continued from the previous post. Schenker points out another wonderful case of meaningful stem direction in the Arietta theme from the second movement of Beethoven’s Sonata op. 111. At * the droning E in the ("second alto") voice drops out until it returns at the end of m. 12. Thus the so...
by John Ruggero
17 May 2025, 19:45
Forum: Books and Sites
Topic: Music Theory Forum?
Replies: 4
Views: 59

Re: Music Theory Forum?

Thanks, OCTO. That's a lot better, but still not what I was looking for. Notat.io could be unique.
by John Ruggero
17 May 2025, 18:10
Forum: Books and Sites
Topic: Music Theory Forum?
Replies: 4
Views: 59

Re: Music Theory Forum?

Thanks jrethorst. I just had a quick look and they are nothing like notat.io, unfortunately. I guess I am looking for a forum for professional music theorists.
by John Ruggero
17 May 2025, 16:35
Forum: Books and Sites
Topic: Music Theory Forum?
Replies: 4
Views: 59

Music Theory Forum?

I'm looking for a forum like Notat.io for music theory. Does it exist?
by John Ruggero
15 May 2025, 16:00
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven Stems 7
Replies: 4
Views: 2139

Re: Beethoven Stems 7

Continuing from the previous post. Beethoven's copyist took the composer's remark in the first manuscript about down-stemed octaves (see above) very seriously and wrote the following at X. Apparently he took the remark to pertain from X on; thus the up-stemmed octaves in the first measure of the exa...
by John Ruggero
14 May 2025, 23:01
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven Stems 7
Replies: 4
Views: 2139

Re: Beethoven Stems 7

Continuing from the previous post. Here is the same passage shown above from the later manuscript of the first movement of op. 111. In the earlier manuscript of this movement Beethoven had written the octaves with all the stems up; but, as Schenker points out in vol. 3 of Beethoven's Last Piano Sona...
by John Ruggero
14 May 2025, 20:34
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven Stems 7
Replies: 4
Views: 2139

Re: Beethoven Stems 7

Continuing from the previous post. Here is an example of Beethoven’s use of stemming to show both present and absent voices: Points of interest: 1 The middle voice enters normally with down stems. 2 But the middle voice stems remain down as we await the arrival of the upper voice. The stems remain d...
by John Ruggero
13 May 2025, 15:38
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Beethoven Stems 7
Replies: 4
Views: 2139

Beethoven Stems 7

The following example was pointed out by Heinrich Schenker in his Beethoven’s Last Piano Sonatas vol. 1: op. 109 translated by John Rothgeb (Oxford University Press 2015). Pages 50-51 The example comes from the second movement. The following explanation is based on my understanding of Schenker’s mor...
by John Ruggero
07 May 2025, 20:53
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: sextuplets
Replies: 1
Views: 3935

Re: sextuplets

Because you actually intended two triplets? And does it really matter in this case? The bowing looks good to this non-string player. The distinction between sextuplets and triplets is relatively recent I think. Beethoven has plenty of sextuplets that are really two triplets. I was just reading an in...
by John Ruggero
07 May 2025, 15:00
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: tuplets (3 vs 6) in 2/2
Replies: 5
Views: 1134

Re: tuplets (3 vs 6) in 2/2

You are welcome, MichelRE.

I was about to write the same about the site. It's like writing something and then watching the "ink" dry.