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by John Ruggero
12 Feb 2016, 21:38
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
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Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Ravel was definitely the cool Impressionist (as opposed to the warmer Debussy). I once heard Guido Agosti, (the pianist, adjudicator and completer of the Cortot edition of Chopin) say that he was present when Ravel expressed a lack of approval of a performance of Ondine that was done Romantically. T...
by John Ruggero
12 Feb 2016, 16:42
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

The celeste additions in Ondine give it the J. Williams touch, Knut. Don't you like Star Wars? :) But seriously, I agree with all of your comments: harp harmonics would be lovely for the solo, somewhat like those in the 1st movement of the Ravel Piano Concerto. The Peters edition terminates the peda...
by John Ruggero
12 Feb 2016, 13:24
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Drats. Anything that one can think of has already been done. Wikipedia says that Gaspard was also orchestrated by the conductor Eugene Goosens in 1942! YouTube has the Constant, which is good as orchestration and somewhat faithful to Ravel's style, but seems very heavy to me (so much brass) and lack...
by John Ruggero
11 Feb 2016, 19:35
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

That would be wonderful, OCTO. And the Finale virtual premiere could be on this Forum!

Le gibet wouldn't be as difficult as the other two. Castantets in Scarbo, harps throughout...
by John Ruggero
11 Feb 2016, 18:54
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

OCTO, I am so sorry, I got "three clarinets" in my head, failed to see the B. Cl key signature, and read your clear indications of instrumentation to see that that was exactly what you had done.
by John Ruggero
11 Feb 2016, 14:03
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Callasmaniac's solution of 4 + 3 within the septuplet sounds like a very practical one and would help produce the effect of a gradual slowing down within the whole affair. In an actual orchestration, the final LH sextuplet would almost certainly have to be an octave lower to produce the right feelin...
by John Ruggero
11 Feb 2016, 13:49
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Sorry I misunderstood your excellent point, OCTO., that the LH is actually nested tuplets within the RH tuplet. The measure is quite a sophisticated affair! But you got me thinking about an orchestration of Gaspard and why it hasn't been done. Unlike Chopin, it is so orchestral in feeling in spite o...
by John Ruggero
10 Feb 2016, 23:06
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Thanks, OCTO! While Ravel loved to orchestrate his piano works, he did not orchestrate this piece or the other two in the set of "Gaspard de la Nuit." There is a certain kind of piano music that is very difficult to orchestrate, and I think that even Ravel was stumped by these pieces, whic...
by John Ruggero
10 Feb 2016, 14:49
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

The Oxford Companion to Music (1963 & 2003 editions) likewise has "three notes to be performed in the time of two", whereas the Harvard Dictionary of Music (2003) says "equal divisions". An old Grove dictionary (1954) has "three triplet notes are equal to two ordinary no...
by John Ruggero
09 Feb 2016, 22:13
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?
Replies: 56
Views: 46977

Re: Composers vs Editors: A Helpful Addition?

Knut, I am not really sure that the Grove definition does take unequal divisions into account because the term "subdivide" seems to imply "divide into equal parts" with musicians; but maybe I'm wrong.