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by John Ruggero
05 Mar 2024, 16:57
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 537

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

That may be, Neera, but the subject of the thread is putting a clef change after a double repeat that occurs in the middle of a staff.
by John Ruggero
05 Mar 2024, 03:44
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 537

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Hi, FredGUnn. We meet again. :) Yes, I just gave several examples in the posts above of mid-measure double repeat signs and how the clef falls after the repeat mark. Imagine how bad those would look if the Gould-Dorico system were applied. The way I understand it is: A repeat mark substitutes for a ...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 23:32
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Placement of tuplets
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: Placement of tuplets

Yes, the single-note in the measure issue. Thanks for bringing that one up. Then there is the bad position of the stem-side two-note slur. If I had a dollar for each one of those... I agree completely that tuplet brackets are necessary in complex contemporary music. However, I also think that they a...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 22:29
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 537

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Thanks, Shinohara Hoshi. This just came up again over at the Dorico forum, so I thought I should post here because I don't think that it's been discussed here. I am interested in knowing whether Gould based this rule on a tradition that I've never encountered. But it is clear that software should be...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 19:10
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Placement of tuplets
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: Placement of tuplets

Here is an example of how music customs do not always improve. The first example is from the first movement of the first edition of Beethoven's Sonata op. 31 no. 1. One sees he dramatic peaks and valleys of the music as if it were mountain range: Beethoven op 31 no 1 Naegeli .png This wonderful pict...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 18:37
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Placement of tuplets
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: Placement of tuplets

I agree that music notation "customs" change with time, Shinohara Hoshi. Sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse. The great power of personal computers makes it possible for knowledgable individuals to pick and choose what they think are the best solutions from the past and p...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 17:05
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 537

Re: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

Here are a couple more:
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by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 17:02
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule
Replies: 16
Views: 537

Gould's Repeat Mark-Clef Rule

On page 234 of Gould's Behind Bars , we encounter the following rule: Gould rule.png Application of this rule leads to the following result as shown in an example I engraved in Dorico. The clef change is placed outside of the repeat mark! This is the only way Dorico can handle this situation automat...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 15:39
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Placement of tuplets
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: Placement of tuplets

You are very welcome, Anders. I still wonder why it has become such a hard rule - at least in some quarters. Hard and fast rules do make things "easier." Many aspects of music notation were nuanced in earlier times. I see a lot of sensitivity to musical values being expressed in earlier no...
by John Ruggero
04 Mar 2024, 14:29
Forum: Notation Rules and Standards
Topic: Placement of tuplets
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: Placement of tuplets

I am very glad you brought up this topic, Anders. In the 18th and 19th centuries tuplet numbers were placed (whenever possible) on the note head side . Slurs and articulations as well. Reason: they are more visible there since our visual attention is aimed at the note heads, rather than the stems an...