OCTO wrote:Just an imaginative speculation is closer to philosophy than in notation.
John Ruggero wrote:What is missing from the discussion are specifics.
My first post was indeed rather general.
But the answers I got leaded fast to a basic debate, leading then to some theoretical answers from my side.
This is definitely not what I wanted.
Why I ask is because I do not know at the moment exactly what I am searching for.
This is not a philosophical idea but an evolving idea on how could a score look like based on what I like or don't like, appreciate do not appreciate, understand or do not understand in note engraving.
My lack of more knowledge in certain aspects of engraving is the reason why I come here to ask for suggestions, advices or general thoughts on this subject.
But as in the first answers I got, some design choices were almost excluded I must confess that this irritated me.
Excluding the use of sans serif text font from the beginning as OCTO wrote, is for me difficult to understand and not an option for me.
Stating that changes motivated by style are doomed to failure as John Ruggero wrote, irritates me also in a forum where a lot is exactly about style and micro style.
Searching for a certain style in notation is to me as legitimated as choosing a font for any kind of text.
Honestly I can't imagine that one can even question this, sorry.
I really do like to learn but I try to avoid too categorical opinions.
Trying to be more specific / precise / practical in my questions:
I stated that I do not know exactly what I am looking for but there are a few things I am following.
I am searching for an overall look of scores that would be a little less decorated / curved / baroque.
At first sight this would mean to me two practical solutions:
1. a less curved design of the main music symbols, in particular clefs, flags and rests
2. the use of sans serif (or gentle serif) for dynamics, numbers and all kind of text like lyrics, title, instructions ...
The first point
is for me the most difficult one.
For example the Boulez flags, though almost exactly reflecting what I am searching for, they are not so nice to my eyes.
I find the flags from odod font in this thread much more pleasant:
And I would really like to experiment with these flags.
In fact I do like handwritten fonts but I also find the comment of John Ruggero about the "improvisation" caracter of handwritten fonts something to consider.
I still could not find clefs in a normal font,.
I like the clef founded in in the hand written Jazz fonts "Music Notation Jazz" (as one can see at the Elbsounds Music Font Comparison site) but it has of course this strong jazzy look as known from the real book, so probably a too strong color.
Editing and "consolidating" the design of these particular clefs could be a begin.
At the moment I have no additional suggestion and no clue what existing music font I could use for my purpose.
I am not sure if I should look for another design for braces.
I am also wondering how much curved can coexist with less curved design.
I tend to think that the usual curved braces can live with a less curved music font.
BTW these are very practical questions for me, but due to the lack of an appropriate font I cannot be more practical and show an example.
Any font suggestion is of course welcome.
The second point
is less difficult for me first because I do not exclude the use of sans serif font.
Some members do exclude this, ok, but I do not.
In fact I used during a long time a Swiss Condensed font for lyrics and chord symbols.
Only in the last years I changed this (mostly influenced by advices I could find in forums like notat.io and others) and in order to get a more consistent look I finally used a Garamond font for almost everything.
But a Garamond font is nice for a classical style and today, because of my wish for another style I would like to get back to the use of sans serif.
At the moment I am considering Kozuka Gothic or Meta Medium for chord symbols (almost all my scores include chord symbols) and either a Futura Condensed or a Frutiger Condensed for Lyrics.
I like also a lot Gill Sans and Franklin Gothic as benwiggy suggested, thanks you for these suggestions.
I am also aware that it's in most cases probably better not to use several fonts.
Well I mention this though I already can imagine that no one in this forum would ever consider to change the look of dynamic symbols.
I can imagine this and as I mentioned in another post I even realize how loud dynamic symbols can be when there are a lot of them.
Maybe a softer serif font could be a way, I still not have found one and I do not exclude a sans serif font.
But in fact I find choosing text fonts difficult without first having found a music font.
For titles I intend to use very specific fonts in the same way odod did in the Threnody score.
As I have to engrave notes for Musicals I would then use the fonts that I used or created for the titles of posters and programm booklet of the musicals.
These are the"thin" results I have today but I am quite sure that at some points I will find the right solutions for my purpose.
Of course any help from here would be welcome.
I could be more practical and upload some samples of my works but first they do not reflect at all what I am searching for at the moment and second even if I had to engrave for my job during decades, my engraving aims have always been mostly practical and the esthetical aspects were quite secondary.
This is only during the last years that I tried to achieve a better result and I know I have a lot to learn.
But as it can in no way be compared to what a lot of members show on this forum it does not make any sense to show my scores.
Nonetheless should someone be curious my works can be seen in the view material page of my website (see my signature).
These are songbooks and excerpts from orchestra scores as view material for customers.
A side note: at the moment I use MT-Cadence in Dorico rather than Bravura which I find a tad too thick.
I spend some hours today to design a G-Clef: