Re: Composers vs Engravers: stem direction 3
Posted: 08 Nov 2016, 19:37
@Wess, did I just imagine it or do you showcase the italic font (Vortragsbezchnung) anywhere on the forum that John is using in this example?
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Justifiably famous, I'd say. I wondered if it was Cadence, and it didn't look too far from Sonata (my favorite).... the famous Ruggero G clef ...
...so to say "from our own kitchen".John Ruggero wrote:Actually, it's Maestro with Engraver accents, the famous Ruggero G clef, italic expressions are Vortragsbezchnung by our own Wess, tempo markings are TNR, done in Finale with line settings as suggested by various members of this forum and seen on the thread on this subject. The slur settings in the first example are from a Notat.io thread on slur shape that had substantial input by Knut.
I think here somewhere: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=82tisimst wrote:@Wess, did I just imagine it or do you showcase the italic font (Vortragsbezchnung) anywhere on the forum that John is using in this example?
Wow! That made my day!jrethorst wrote:Justifiably famous, I'd say. I wondered if it was Cadence, and it didn't look too far from Sonata (my favorite).
Maybe I should call this "font" "Notat.io Goulash."OCTO wrote:...so to say "from our own kitchen".
I love this MS example, which I first saw (recopied) in a column by Douglas Hofstadter. Notice how the whole notes in the LH are all centered in the bars! Of course no editor would copy it that way because it is non-standard and a bit harder to read, but I think it’s a very informative detail about the concept of the piece.John wrote:Etude op. 10 no. 1
I think it is pretty unique too. The extreme compression is different from any other Chopin MS. It says: play this so fast that the two measures sound like a slightly broken solid chord that encompasses the entire keyboard (of Chopin's time). It is too bad that one can't really engrave it like that for practical reasons. The original says the same thing, but then Chopin decided to place the strong accents on every beat and the better shows that. Chopin used new and unusual notation to convey his new and unusual effects. For example, the use of small notes to show ethereal as well as non-metric effects, as in the op 25 no 1, the use of extensive pedal marks and fingering.MJCube wrote:I love this MS example, which I first saw (recopied) in a column by Douglas Hofstadter. Notice how the whole notes in the LH are all centered in the bars! Of course no editor would copy it that way because it is non-standard and a bit harder to read, but I think it’s a very informative detail about the concept of the piece.
Also a minor point I just noticed: The MS is in while all the editions are in !
Sorry if I missed something, but why is it famous?the famous Ruggero G clef
Famous - on our forum! Yes, that is John's first symbol he ever created, and also, to be honest, very well done. Just to stress this out: is the most difficult to create. It is simply to complex in many aspects. I tried numerous times and lost my patience.......jrethorst wrote:Sorry if I missed something, but why is it famous?the famous Ruggero G clef