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Ambitus Question

Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 13:03
by Romanos401
Greetings all--
Question about best practice since I've seen both:
When an incipit is provided to indicate vocal range, is it best practice to connect the notes with a line or leave them separate? (See attachment)

Re: Incipit Question

Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 13:06
by Romanos401
As a follow up, would you keep or ditch the brackets before the incipit?

Re: Incipit Question

Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 13:10
by benwiggy
The question is 'what information is being conveyed'? I don't think that the line adds any useful information (except the implied 'oh, and every note inbetween').
I couldn't find anything in Gould, FWIW.

NB: that's an 'Ambitus', not an 'incipit'. An incipit shows original clefs, key and note values in early music editions.

There was a discussion about Ambituses (ambiti?) on the Dorico forum, which discussed positioning and style. I think they tend to be in the main body of the staff, not separate, before the time sig.

Re: Incipit Question

Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 13:20
by Romanos401
Thanks for your reply. I also couldn't find anything in Gould, hence me outsourcing the question here.

Your point that the line doesn't add any useful information is a good one. Personally I think it clutters the page. And I'm grateful you mention "ambitus". I knew that once upon a time, but had forgotten the term, so I'm grateful for the reminder. (I have now corrected the title of this thread.)

Re: Incipit Question

Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 13:23
by Romanos401
Taking all of your remarks into account, here's the final result:

Re: Ambitus Question

Posted: 01 Jul 2021, 09:58
by OCTO
Personally, I would like to see them connected with the line, otherwise I would assume something needs to be sung, intonated, or whatever else.

Re: Ambitus Question

Posted: 02 Jul 2021, 22:59
by John Ruggero
The final version looks strange to me without initial clefs defining the notes of the ambitus.

How about:
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Re: Ambitus Question

Posted: 03 Jul 2021, 06:16
by Anders Hedelin
Isn't the following the most natural and least cluttered way to do it?
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I personally find it difficult to interpret the small noteheads before the TS as something that should be sounded, i.e. as anything else than the ambituses/ambiti(?) of each voice.

The example is from a popular, practical edition: Invitation to Madrigals, Stainer & Bell. In a more scholarly edition you would probably not expect to find any ambiti at all - or would you?

Re: Ambitus Question

Posted: 03 Jul 2021, 11:13
by OCTO
Anders Hedelin wrote: 03 Jul 2021, 06:16In a more scholarly edition you would probably not expect to find any ambiti at all - or would you?
Agreed.

(Now looking again, I still prefer the top first example by Romanos401, preferably cue-sized.)

Re: Ambitus Question

Posted: 03 Jul 2021, 12:04
by John Ruggero
I vote for the system shown in Ander's example, if the ambitus must be placed on the same staves or adjacent to the music. Otherwise put it somewhere else.