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half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 03:30
by Felipe Copaja
Hi, for a critical edition I need to draw a slur that goes "normal" over a few notes, but editorial and dashed for the last two. Is there a way for this in Finale 25 (Mac)? I'd rather not use a regular slur and then a dashed slur over all the notes.

Felipe

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 09:21
by benwiggy
I suspect not. I doubt any notation program** allows you to sub-divide the style of the slur. You'll have to edit a PDF in a vector artwork editor. You may have to cut chunks out of the slur.

Also, there were some tutorials that you may be able to find for how to make dashed slurs in vector drawing apps, before Finale added them.

** (Waits for someone to supply a few lines of code for Lilypond.)

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 10:29
by Anders Hedelin
I tried using a smart-shape dashed slur and then superimposing a shape-expression solid slur with the right end masked. Apart from being extremely fussy, it only works outside the staff - inside, it will mask staff lines and notes as well - so I gave up. Sorry not to be of any help.

Probably a graphic program might be worth trying, as benwiggy suggested, if Finale allows importing vector graphics as vector graphics. (I recall having had some problems with that in the past, but possibly that is solved by now. ?)

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 10:56
by benwiggy
I was suggesting editing the slur on the finished page, as a PDF, rather than making a slur and importing it into Finale.

There are still problems (or were last time I looked) importing vector graphics into Finale and getting them to display correctly with regards to transparency, and then to print correctly.

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 11:11
by Anders Hedelin
OK. Good tip. I'll try that myself next time I have a need for it.

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 17:48
by OCTO
I would not use one slur that is halfway dashed. I don't remember I have seen it yet.
Use two slurs instead.

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 02:32
by John Ruggero
Half-dashed slurs are not uncommon in critical editions (and I have a few in my Beethoven Sonata edition). Dorico does them apparently:

https://steinberg.help/dorico/v1/en/dor ... les_r.html

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 13:10
by OCTO
John Ruggero wrote: 09 Jul 2021, 02:32 Half-dashed slurs are not uncommon in critical editions (and I have a few in my Beethoven Sonata edition). Dorico does them apparently:

https://steinberg.help/dorico/v1/en/dor ... les_r.html
Happy to learn something from you again, Thanks John!

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 16:56
by Felipe Copaja
John, could you please show us an example?

Felipe

Re: half-dashed slurs

Posted: 10 Jul 2021, 02:20
by John Ruggero
You are very welcome, OCTO.

Here is an example from the first movement of Beethoven's Sonata op. 7:
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The footnote states that it is uncertain if the slur should extend all the way to m. 205.

I think you did a better job with yours as shown in your example over at FinaleForum, Felipe.